a rare political entry

[tiggz]

dude. is this for real? people honestly believe that our government orchestrated 9/11? this is truly the first i've heard of this. i'm at a loss for words. do i trust our government compeletely? no. do i believe that they always have our best interests at heart? no. do i think they killed thousands of people on september 11th for some unknown reason(i'm assuming they're saying it's because the president needed a catalyst for war)? abso-fucking-lutely NOT! how ludicrous is this? really. do any of you think this? if so, please do respond with why you think it's a possibility. i'm truly interested to understand why you would think our government would do something like this.

also Charlie Sheen's comment about the planes "not looking like any commercial jetliner he'd ever seen" is just completely and utterly laughable. what a fucking moron. is he an airplane expert?

this is about as political as you will see me because arguing politics never ends well. i just couldn't get over this though. outraged. that's a good word to describe how i'm feeling.

Comments

[denisef.livejournal.com]

Not tiggy, but I'll take a shot here. I think that the reason she would react with outrage is that the entire conclusion is so ridiculous. I don't care how liberal, or how much of a Bush-hater someone is, to actually believe that he orchestrated 9/11 is ridiculous. Seriously, it's certifiably ridiculous. I'm friends with many, many fierce Bush-haters and I've never heard any of them suggest something so preposterous. And the people that do believe it? Reek of people that will blame Bush for anything and everything simply to find fault with the man and further the agenda to have him impeached.

And, if you or anyone else want to believe that sky *isn't* blue, simply because Bush says it *is*, that's certainly your right. But you'd be wrong, wouldn't you?

[debg.livejournal.com]

No, you're not tiggy - and while aboslutely, take a shot at it, you might want to read the question again, because in your quickness to answer, you ignored the question.

What I was asking her was a very specific question: why that particular reaction?

Because the reaction was not to Charlie Sheen - who, by the way, is a total fruitcake, in my own opnion. It was to the idea that anyone could think it was possible.

Personally, I think impreachment is merely a first step for war crimes, profiteering, lying to the American public, bettrayal of the public troops, wiretapping phones, using the Constitution as toilet paper, and a lot of other things. As it happens, I don't think Bush orchestrated anything at all because he's too stupid to have done anything that complex.

But that's not what I was questioning, was it? Not if you reread and pay attention to the actual question.

Outrage - I'm using her word for it - is a lot stronger than merely the eyeroll of an "oh, puhLEEZE!" reaction to silliness. It implies deep feeling the other way.

I gave my laundry list - only a small one - as to why I think no one in that collection of people regards ethics as anything other than something to be ignored at will. I asked for a single example as a counterbalance to that.

I still - snarking about blue skies aside - have not seen one offered.

[denisef.livejournal.com]

I didn't ignore the question, nor was I quick to post. I read your initial response last night and stopped myself from posting what my gut response was, because it wouldn't have gotten us anywhere.

And before you continue your lecture to me about paying attention to the question, believe me, I was. And your examples of why you would question Bush are all very nice, but you need to understand that not everyone feels the same way. Not everyone thinks he lied about the war. Not everyone thinks he's guilty of any of the things you listed above. And wiretapping? Frankly, I'm for it. It amazes me that people can criticize the intelligence that the Gov't receives, yet wants to ban things that could help better that intelligence. These people were in our country. I don't see wiretapping phones as calling his ethics in to question whatsoever.

But, you do, obviously. And that's fine. But nothing that you've stated above, whether you believe it to be true or not, translates into a sane person thinking that Bush orchestrated 9/11. Why shouldn't tiggy feel outraged that people feel that way. That people would take their personal dislike of a man and his policies and translate that into him having planes crash into the Twin Towers. And the Pentagon. And wherever else was planned. That people think that is disgusting and appalling, and I think "outraged" is exactly the right reaction to have. Tell me why a person that doesn't think that Bush is the devil, and there are plenty of us given that he did win the election, should have any reaction other than outrage. She's not merely rolling her eyes, because it's not merely silliness. It's vile accusations made by people who didn't get the President that they want, and it crosses a line of decency. I don't even think that half of the people saying it, even really believe it themselves. It's a way of smacking back at and villifying the Republicans ,which is what lost them this last election to begin with.

I'm done here. I have no desire to argue back and forth with someone I don't even know. Neither of us will change the other's mind, and that's fine.

[tiggz.livejournal.com]

actually, she kinda did answer the question. i was outraged that people had taken their "blame Bush for everything under the sun" sentiment and made it seem as if had orchestrated 9/11. there was also outrage that someone was suggesting that those families that lost someone who was on those planes weren't justified in their grief because the planes we had been told that were flown into those towers, the pentagon and the field in PA couldn't possibly have been.

i guess i'm having a bit of a personal reaction because i knew someone who lost a family member on Flight 93 and my ex-boyfriend was at the WTC when the planes hit.

i've watched the video that eyesoffate linked above and it does raise some interesting points, but i also don't put a lot of merit into people that look for anything and everything to support their agenda. there comes a time when the things you're looking at simply look a certain way because you want them to look like that.