a rare political entry

[tiggz]

dude. is this for real? people honestly believe that our government orchestrated 9/11? this is truly the first i've heard of this. i'm at a loss for words. do i trust our government compeletely? no. do i believe that they always have our best interests at heart? no. do i think they killed thousands of people on september 11th for some unknown reason(i'm assuming they're saying it's because the president needed a catalyst for war)? abso-fucking-lutely NOT! how ludicrous is this? really. do any of you think this? if so, please do respond with why you think it's a possibility. i'm truly interested to understand why you would think our government would do something like this.

also Charlie Sheen's comment about the planes "not looking like any commercial jetliner he'd ever seen" is just completely and utterly laughable. what a fucking moron. is he an airplane expert?

this is about as political as you will see me because arguing politics never ends well. i just couldn't get over this though. outraged. that's a good word to describe how i'm feeling.

Comments

[the-partyman.livejournal.com]

While I totally understand your outrage and shock, I am a bit surprised that this is the first you have heard of such conspiracy theories - such have been all over the place for the last few years, and range from the technically plausible to the downright insane.

I agree with your view on Charlie Sheen's comment. Nonsense.

[ducky01.livejournal.com]

I don't buy it, either. While I think our intelligence over the entire tragedy was badly handled, and that it could have been minimized, if not averted entirely, by better communications in our own intelligence operations, I don't believe that it was orchestrated by our own government. My own opinion is that the 9/11 attacks were directly organized and carried out by Osama Bin Laden and his band of merry men. Of course, I also believe that they had help from outside governments (supplies, financial help, weapons, intel) that were interested in gaining a political advantage with the Muslim nations, and those allies are still assisting them in covering their tracks. I will grant that our government did use the attacks as justification for going to war, but more in the way of taking advantage of the opportunity while national sentiment was still running hot, but I can in no way believe or accept that they were able to orchestrate the entire thing. And, I agree, I try not to get political on LJ, either, but this is a ridiculous thing.

ducky

Well...

[joriejc2.livejournal.com]

This is the first I've heard of Charlie Sheen...he may not be doing a great service by speaking out, and yes, his commentary on the planes is taking it a little bit too far.

In actuality, from what I have read, no one is saying that the US Government committed the actions. There is no question that Al Qaeda was responsible.

The problem, whether you are a conspiracy theorist or not, is that a lot of WEIRD stuff happened on and around 9/11. For example, research has revealed that a lot of people who were investors in American Airlines put a ton of money into the Futures a few days before 9/11, almost as if they knew that something was going to happen that would make them super rich. If you read Richard Clarke or other experts on the subject, they will also tell you that there were very bizarre lags in the time it took to ground all aircraft. Many people also disagree with the fact that the entire Bin Laden clan was able to fly out of the US shortly after 9/11, while all other aircraft were still grounded. And then of course, there is the fact the fact that even though 99% of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, George Bush had Prince Bandar over to the White House on September 13, 2001. These are the kinds of odd facts that some people think should be explored a bit further to see why they happened.

It's also worth noting, just from a historical standpoint, that US Presidents have risked many lives in the past because they wanted to spark a war for political reasons. Check out the beginning of the Mexican American War. There were lots of reasons why folks like Henry David Thoreau were protesting that war.

[amy37.livejournal.com]

I've heard plenty of conspiracy theories, but I don't for a minute believe the US government orchestrated the attacks. Also, Charlie Sheen is clearly nuts. Hello? One too many drugs taken, buddy.

[quaint-shopgirl.livejournal.com]

It's all absolute horeshit! Just people with an agenda trying to sway public opinion against the current administration. I don't care how you feel about Bush, saying that he (or any government official) orchestrated 9/11 is twisted and cruel. As for Sheen? I won't even dignify his remarks with a response. Asshat!

[eyesoffate.livejournal.com]

Something yall may wanna take a little look at.. it's an hour or so long video in regards to 9/11.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=911

I am not saying I agree or disagree with what is said or shown within the video, but it is definitely something to think about and discuss with others.

[debg.livejournal.com]

You really want to know? Here goes.

I think that, considering that we have an administration who had already orchestrated a judicial coup d'etat in which they stole an election, had already screwed California out of billions of dollars (if you weren't here during the rolling blackouts, sweeties, look it up) for their ever so reliable and honest buddies at Enron, since they lied about weapons of mass destruction and uranium yellowcake and pretty much everything else?

I think that an automatic belief that "gasp shock horror our government wouldn't do anything like that" is naive and dangerous beyond belief.

Short form: you have a government that has already proven it has about as much use for ethics, conscience and truth as it has for any of its actual high-ranking members actually, oh, say, serving in the military at some point in their lives.

So honestly, if George Bush told me the sky was blue? I'd open a window to check. That's how unreliable he's proven himself.

Also - and no, not going to argue this with you, or anyone else, so don't bother, because the only point to a debate is to reach an accord, and I don't much care how the rest of the world feels about it - there are many people out there who believe the administration knew something huge was coming down the pike, and decided to let it go down. Not quite the same thing as orchestrating it. I don't generally put my own take on it forward, but you asked.

But if you can look at the current administration's track record of contempt for the truth and be outraged that people suspect them of stuff, no matter how silly and over the top?

I think you need to pay closer attention to what's been happening.

[dogmeatnyc.livejournal.com]

its your house get as political as you want.

[foundserenity.livejournal.com]

Of course Charlie Sheen knows all about politics. His dad plays the President on TV! /snark

I've reached the point where none of the conspiracy theories about this administration shock me anymore. All I can do is laugh.

[such-jaunt.livejournal.com]

charlie sheen’s comments are weird and make him sound like a dumbass.
I don't think 9/11 was any kind of wag the dog situation, I think that honour belongs to Iraq, bush clearly doesn't have a problem killing thousands of people, but i doubt that he would do it to his own country, i mean as i recall the day it happened he was flying around on air force one somewhere and then went into hiding while everyone else was wondering what the heck was going on, there were very fundamental errors made by the government, that could have prevented it on such a large scale if not entirely, i do believe bush is a complete and utter moron and i can't believe he is the main representative for such a bright, caring and compassionate country, and would certainly put him on a par with Nixon, but in answer to your question, no i don't believe he orchestrated the 9/11 attacks

[len-sp.livejournal.com]

Welcome to the world of BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) where everything wrong in the world is due to Bush etal. and it's always AmeriKKKa's fault. It's easier to blame Bush than to it is to accept that America is a great nation or that the world is filled with truly evil people like Osama Bin Laden or that the greatest liberator in human history has been an American soldier. So you get this nonsense where our govt. destroyed the twin towers for it's own nefarious causes such as getting rid of the people's hero Saddam Hussein.

After years of reading and listening to this stuff, I just find it amusing. It's hard to take seriously people who side with Islamofascists against America, especially when those same people would be killed first if Islam ever triumphed. Just look at how the Taliban treated women or homosexuals or how Al Queda treats peace activists in Iraq. But all of that is irrelevant in the face of the horror of George Bush. *g*

[egoboy1.livejournal.com]

actually, altho i dont necessaraly agree with this story, i do think your government orcistrated the 9/11 thing. i have a whole theory..which i'll gladly email you..cause if i post it, i'll have 200 "america is the greatest nation on earth and islam sux" people commenting and filling up my email thingy..

[kibarika.livejournal.com]

I myself can't stand Bush and yet I also am completely exhausted by the "Everything is his fault" mentality. I don't know that I think the Bush Administration is COMPETENT enough to have organized something like 9/11. I also suspect it would take more than the 9 mos planning they would've had; and if someone suggests they would plan that on the campaign trail, well, I have a hard time believing they would. Because then how would they have time to campaign?

[loki469.livejournal.com]

I shall wade in.

Do I believe the US Govt. orchestrated 9/11. No.

Do I believe they need to take some responsibility for it. Yes.

I shall elaborate-
Osama Bin Laden got where he was with US Govt backing (George Bush mk2 can't take all the credit here, as it had gone on for years before he hit the White house. I think it was going on in his daddy's day). Al Qaeda was fighting with weapons supplied by the US govt. When they were only blowing up other Arabs it was all good. It was incredibly stupid, given Bin Laden's well-documented hatred of the west, to think that he wouldn't turn thiose weapons on US soldiers or civilians if he had half a chance.

On Iraq, I'll get one thing out of my system - & I still can't believe the US press didn't make more of this! Osama Bin Laden & Saddam Hussein hated each other. To suggest that they were somehow in kahoots, & tie Saddam in with Sept 11 was ludicrous. Osama bin Laden held Saddam in contempt because he believed he was not a devout man. Likewise Saddam thought Osama was a religous fanatic. That's public record.

And Charlie Sheen is an actor, not a rocket scientist. You can have the IQ of a jellyfish & still act.